Stock 318 initial timing adjustment Since the point adjustment DIRECTLY affects timing, puttin a light on it with the points out will only get you that much farther away. * Idle with a stock cam is about 650-700 rpm with no vacuum advance connected to the carb vacuum source. Take the total timing that you want - say 36*. will run better and start better if the float level is lowered from the stock, or specified, setting. Base initial timing for that car is 5 degrees BTDC, IIRC. You need to get it on a rolling road as the curve of your new distributor (whatever it is) will not be the same as the one you have removed. 25-30 degrees of timing at idle will increase idle speed which will allow you to The 3000rpm total timing is for reference, IF you have a dial-back timing light. like a carb, so it shouldn't need a sync signal. total with all in @ 3200RPM. rderr. You will need additional marks on the damper. Make sure to use an oil additive for the break-in! Comp xtreme cams are extremely hard on the lifters and cam lobes. The only changes that have been made are a dual 2. if it won't idle in the low teens then maybe there is something else wrong as Travis suggests. The firing order on all Chrysler V8 engines is 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2. So I’m trying to find the best timing for my 289. It was a little hard to start, but overall it ran well. If you lined up I can confirm two degrees makes a lot of difference. Above 36 you would just need to experiment and see if you can avoid detonation and pinging. . Fix the fuel curve, you probably won't need excessive initial timing. Normally with a 10. Readjusted idle-mixture screws for maximum vacuum and RPM readings. Either get a timing tape that gets applied to the perimeter on the damper or do what I did - mark your damper accordingly. So what initial timing setting would you recommend for this cam: Comp Cams XE 262H Duration Adv @ . With vacuum attached, raise RPM to 3500, now timing should be between 50 & 55 degrees. The first test drive noticed while climbing a hill it pinged so what do Total initial + mech advance of 36 is generally considered good and safe for most engines. Only change to motor is replaced stock manifolds with shorty headers. 34 degrees is the spec under heavy throttle with little to no vacuum. 4 miles with no hesitation, and it would keep on climbing had it not been for a driveline harmonic which started at 105mph. I don't want to put more advance in the motor than necessary. shoee, Mar 10, 2008. SB Timing gear. Details are:-. 256 posts · Joined 2003 Add to quote; Only show this user Needing more than about 15 degrees initial timing is a sign of screwed-up idle circuits in the carb. the reason for this thread is that the engine seems to run best at 24 degrees Connect the timing light to the #1 spark pug wire, start engine and point at the timing tab on the drivers side of the timing cover, and press the trigger/button so the light shines. When I was finished I set the timing to 8 degrees advanced and idle adjustment and had it running pretty well. Home. 5 TBI engines the initial timing is set by pulling the CTS plug and twisting the distributor. I'm finishing a new install of a Sniper 4150 with HyperSpark CDI on a Buick Nailhead that's stock built. Restart the Hey guys wanted to know how much mechanical timing are you guys running along with initial timing on your guys magnum 5. I bought a used EST = Electronic Spark Timing. On V8 engines, the timing is advanced by turning the distributor clockwise. 5 compression ratio Comp Cam #20-221-3 20-221-3 - Xtreme Energy™ Hydraulic Flat Tappet Camshafts stock j Stock Magnum Timing Chain? Krooser: Circle Track Chat: 1: 07-30-2013 06:15 PM: Wanted. Proceed with normal timing checks on mechanical and vacuum advance. When the engine is cold the engine start at the first turn of the key. Engine does not run up to 5000 rpm. Likes: 25. I run 14-degrees initial and eight degrees vacuum advance for a total of 22-degrees at idle. At 14 initial, you should get around 34-36 total mechanical advance at 3000 rpm. Step 2: loosen distributor. I drove the car about 100 miles to school very shortly after finishing. Jan 6, 2013 #2 Time it with about 10-14 initial. I see nothing in your build that would change that!!! Jester (Chris) Save Share there is no magic its a simple fact of the properties of aluminum and you can bet those stock pistons are worse than a forged set of aftermarket goodies. The computer controlled ignition timing system which involves both the ECM and the ignition module (ICM). Step 1: set timing at -10 or +10 at ATDC or BTDC? 2. Joined: Aug 2005. Now before I go doing this I hope to hear from the pros and If you have a timing light with the advance knob, you adjust the knob until the timing mark reads zero on the pointer, then read the timing at the knob. Usually for stock Chevy around 4-6 degrees btdc at idle. R. initial with vacuum pulled and plugged. 30-35 deg at around 3000 RPM Hi Guys, Looking for some assistance in tuning my LA 360 short block. Z . I’m trying to compare several things and for the life of me I cannot locate the original recommended timing from Chrysler. Stock 258 I-6 with Carter BBD carb and 'Engine Computer' You are supposed to run the engine up to about 1,600 RPM before you set timing Under 1,600 RPM the 'Engine Computer' is supposed to be messing with your fuel and timing to keep 'Smog' from happening. I run 20 degrees initial on cams in the 290 degree range. etc. If you need to run less idle timing, then take it out of the vacuum advance. Listed here are the sections Basic Startup and Adjustment and Ignition Tuning for Maximum Performance taken directly from the way around, one at a time. 1970 Malibu, 505 HP 385 Stroker, TH350 w/ Gearvendors, 3600 Converter, Home Built HEI, Junkyard Hydro Boost Daytona TwinTec TC88 adjustment. Timing may be advanced by turning the distributor of a six-cylinder engine counterclockwise. As you advance initial more, the total goes up the same amount. lol Motor is a '74 mild build 318 with stock bottom, KB pistons, Mopar purple cam (dont know specs, bought the motor pan to carb complete from a third party) stock 74 318 heads with over size 360 valve 16 initial, 36 total with stock heads. The "A" engines (273-318-340 The engine seems to run better at a but 14 degrees timing. I have about 32 degrees total out of the dizzy so when i set initial timing at 8 degrees this gives me 40 which makes for nasty knock above 2400 rpm. For your 2 barrel and i'm guesing stock single exhaust, try 10 initial and see what it likes. I also pulled the timing cover to check the chain/timing - everything looked correct and new. 55s thanks! Ok we got the total timing figured out but the car is still hard to start and drive now what? Time for the proper initial time and for gas mileage proper Valvetrain is stock with exception of compcams 1. 026 thick) Generally Mopar small blocks (LA and Magnum) like 10-16* initial timing and no more than 35* overall. Most all BBC's that I have seen tested on an engine dyno require 40 to 43 degrees total timing to make max HP. I'm just trying to narrow in on I have some questions about the timing-chain in my Dodge Van 318 TBI-engine. 6 roller rockers. Much more than that and I get spark knock. (someone stuck 4 BIG diameter pushrods indumbass thought motor was toast ) Edelbrock 318/360 intake, 1406 carb. And what is a suggested non stock total timing range? I understand all builds would differ. Set your initial (no vacuum) to where the car starts easily, then hook up the vacuum advance to see where you are. flattens out around You can not set it for total timing using the stock timing marks. Save Share If you have replaced the distributor 3 times and come up with the same initial timing of 15-20 degrees. I't's set at the nominal initial timing of 5 and advance slope of 7 right now, but after reading DTT's instructions and searching for setting advice, I'm a bit confused about the best settings for my application (TC88, bored to 95", Beans street ported heads, shaved to achieve a corrected CR of 9. Received 9:1 or 8. Stock cam compression only added an rpm air gap and a 600 cfm carb. BUT setting timing THERE can affect the base initial timing. Haven't touched timing yet until I know what I should try. It’s likely that our static ignition timing at the crankshaft at idle may not be the desired 10 degrees BTDC. The timing-gears, are they metal (i hope) or plastic ( :help: )? 4. Thanks! See less Less initial timing for better lower-rpm emissions, yet still had enough mechanical advance for good WOT power. A significantly bigger cam than stock typically needs 20 degrees at idle and 38 to 40 total with an old school 350 head. It's just a tool to make I use an adjustable timing gun with a knob on it. Tighten the distributor hold-down clamp. This does NOT apply to some V6s (even/odd fire) and some 4 bangers. R150-250 is 11 BTDC. Now with a basically stock 318, I'm getting a FBO plate and will try 14 initial and Slightly more lift than stock and a little longer duration, but not radical. N. It's all covered My 273 bracket racer was set up for 35 degrees BTDC total timing (I think that was recommended back in the 1970's for a Mopar small block. Those stock BBC heads have very slow flame travel and that big piston is a long way to travel across. 2 . ESC = Electronic Spark Control. Make sure total is not above about 34-36. 35 (initial+slots) is a very close to ideal SB amt & definitely a good number to start with & Go to a drag strip and adjust the timming for your best top speed MPH (with vacuum advance disconnected. Hold that rpm and set the timing at 35* BTDC. HomeBrew #379873 It’s important that the engine be idling at its warm-idle rpm. Bigger cams need more initial timing and a richer fuel mixture at idle. Use a timing light with vacuum advance disconnected. For that matter, so are the MPI turbo Edelbrock recommends about 12 degrees initial timing. You will need a timing light with the adjustment knob or a balancer with timing tape to see 40 degrees. Brooklyn Park, Maryland, USA. Good luck! 1972 Dodge Van "Tigerlilly" - Blazing Copper/Sandstone Metallic Chrysler 318 LA-Block - Stock Ignition Timing. The settings I’m looking for are the initial values to WOT timing, cruise timing, vacuum advance, high speed retard if you want it, timing adjustment for temperature, etc. Step 3: engage timing light, clamp to #1 spark plug I've heard that increasing timing from stock on my 318 TBI will give good performance gains. The car is a stick four speed with 3. Chrome timing cover: 68cuda92stealth: Rear Wheel Drive - Parts Wanted: 3: 01-08-2008 12:43 AM: Stock gas tank (in stock position) with drop sump: drag-n-cuda: Performance Talk: 1: 04-14-2004 11:17 AM: Pure Stock, Street Stock, Bomber Dodge Total timing (or advance) is directly related to initial timing. I like a lot of initial but only run about 32 degrees total. Did initial timing by ear and set it so it idled nice and sounded good. Greg Greg . Timing should not be far above 15*. 050 Intake Exhaust Intake rebuilt with Speed Pro hyper pistons, comp ratio is 9. 8" long. Joined First let me say I have not owned a timing light since 1978 but will pick up a basic one today. Runs good. The valve adjustment is something worth checking - you could also do a compression test to verify this before pulling I agree with Ed on making sure tdc is true tdc, but you already stated initial idles best at around 14. but what should my vacuum advance be adjusted to? This is a quick video showing how you adjust your timing. Very simple to do. 5ºBTC my max timing is Before I installed the engine, I did pull the heads and had those re-worked (it did have 30 over pistons). Engine specs SBC 350 crate, stock dished pistons. . Points first, then timing. Let the engine idle then check the initial timing. firefighter1 I have a stock 318 in my 71 dodge dart swinger. I have to set them at about 1/2 a turn for best performance. The initial Timing specs vary, but a good rule of thumb is to set the timing at 12 degrees advance once the engine has started up for the first time. I simple turn the knob until the line on the balancer lines up with the 0 on the timing cover. Mine's in my '72 Challenger, but its an '83 318 with '72 heads. Now You Can Adjust Your Magnum-Powered, OBD II-Equipped Dodge Truck's Timing With Superchips' New Icon Race You may get to check timing as it is running but the timing should be in the high 20's to low 30 range at 2500 rpms and you will need a timing light with an adjustment knob on the back or timing tape on the balancer to see that. When I changed the initial timing, my idle rpm smoothed out and runs right around the 850 I have it set to. the cam could be off by several degrees and that is why it's a good idea to degree in even a stock cam Hey Guys I had to replace the water pump and the intake gaskets on my 318 V8. Even at 18 degrees it is pretty rough. I think it would be better to tune the carb to get rid of the bog vs adjusting the initial timing. Certain engines may accommodate a little more depending on how they are built, altitude, gas quality, etc. ) If the engine idles/runs better with more initial timming, Initial timing is the base amount, and affects idle power and smoothness. Maybe my valve adjustment might be on the tight side. I have been reading the hundreds of post on timing and I'm a bit confused and worried. The timing tab has a 0 on it for TDC, in most cases you will want to set for before TDC which will be above the 0 mark, based on crankshaft rotation I'm looking for the manufacture recommended specs regarding Ignition Timing on a 1968 318 LA. How much vacuum is the engine making? Set timing per manual, with mark on distributor aligned when engine at TDC on number 1. one may be straight up, one may be 4° advance and another may be 4° retarded, you would need to look at the paperwork that came with the timing set. Bondo Moderator. All in by 3000 rpm. 035. (before the rebuild with the stock cam the engine was relatively insensitive to idle screw adjustment). But, yeah, the concept is similar: Stock cams get near-stock initial timing; mild cams get a bit more, as the cam gets more duration, the initial timing goes upto a point. Have the mechanical all in by 3000 or less. Ideal initial timing for a stock to mild cam is 10 to 12 (without vacuum advance connected). I'm just trying to narrow in on a range. Completely stock, it would do 20mph to 100mph in . You may have to alter the mechanical advance Engine Identification Number Stamped Prefix Specifications “1” after the ID denotes a “Standard” engine package: This is the most common type of engine found in cars and light trucks. Idle it down and dial the timing down on the gun to see where initial timing is at 87 D100 318 auto. I do use a vacuum gauge to set the carb and have heard of others using a vacuum gauge but haven't tried it or really felt the need. Connect the vacuum advance to manifold vacuum and see how much the timing Ignition timing will depend on a lot of things - CR, cam timing, carb type and settings, heads, etc. See Currently the car is a 73' Duster Twister with a stock 318 with stock exhaust manifolds and stock 2bbl intake manifold. I would say my cruise rpm is around 2200-2500 rpm. The mechanical plate in your distributor should have a number on it, such as "12" for example. run 15 initial then add another 10-15 with the vacuum advance on a manifold source (30 total at idle). The second is to actually adjust the vacuum advance using a 3/32 allen wrench into the nipple of the vacuum advance. If it has an HEI distributor disconnect the vacuum advance, hook up your timing light, watch the timing marks while you increase the rpm, until the timing stops advancing. Save Share Reply Quote Like. My total timing is 52* at 3500 RPM and initial is about 12* at 850 RPM. , cam-lifters-p-rods n rockers. I know that Chrysler calls for initial timing at TDC for this engine in stock form. That means your mechanical has 24 degrees (12x2=24). Depending on the type of cam you're running, you want to try to tailor the length of your centrifugal curve to produce an initial timing that provides a good idle with good throttle response. Have a partner rev the car up to 3k or so. I always ran my 318's at 12-14* timing. There is an ESC module on the OP's heater blower motor housing. Thread starter firefighter1; Start date Jan 5, 2013 - F. What should be the initial and total timing be ? I do have a Dial 1973 340 with stock iron heads, auto (unknown cam but very aggressive) Unknown compression >10:1; New ignition system > MSD billet dizzy with an 6AL box coil; Initial timing 20 degree's (idles much better here than at 15 degrees) All in by 2800 or so at 40 degree's (sounds fine with no load) Pump gas 93 max Each keyway is a different cam timing adjustment. If you have a timing light with the advance knob, you adjust the knob until the timing mark reads zero on the pointer, then read the timing at the knob. With the hot bade initial timing set, you can then reconnect the vac advance line to the ported vacuum port on the carb. My preference on initial setup is similar to CP. Does the PCM control the timing or is it manual? Once initial timing is set, it's complemented by the mechanical and vacuum advance curves. 0 Reply. I did install a Edelbrock Has anyone here ever seen a engine run with 35 degrees initial timing? Broke in the new cam on 318 after break in i was checking stuff, timing was at 35 Link To eBay Motors. More of a "hot rod" thing, rather than a "stock" thing. I’ve boiled it down to timing and I’m wondering what the timing on a stock 304 is, initial and total? I’ve had it at 14 initial which went to about 34 total and now it’s at 9 initial, haven’t checked the total for it right now. stock Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist' Make sure you have the vac adv hose plugged into a ported vacuum nipple, not to full manifold vacuum. Actually a car cruising down the highway at 3400 rpms could have over 40BTDC because vacuum can be high enough allowing the vacuum advance to add to static (timing at idle Timing and Idle Adjustment Procedures For Thunderbolt V Ignition Your total wot advance maybe too much for your engine, causing other problems. This is true whether working with a factory stock engine and timing, or 318 timing diagrams and tips. 5'' dual exhaust and a high flow air filter housing, with deleted vac lines and intake heater from the exhaust manifold. Plug back in dist vacc. Got a vacuum gauge? Low vacuum at idle also denotes the cam is not in time. The timing tab has a 0 on it for TDC, in most cases you will want to set for before TDC which will be above the 0 mark, based on crankshaft rotation I have about 32 degrees total out of the dizzy so when i set initial timing at 8 degrees this gives me 40 which makes for nasty knock above 2400 rpm. Reads 20 vacuum on idle. With the dial advance light set at 34 adjust timing to hit 0 on the balancer. thats 24 engine degrees . 6 to 1, heads are GT40P with stock valve sizes, no porting, but Manley stainless valves and GT40 valve springs and keepers. 5 to1 compression engine you would be running 100 octane back in 69 and might want something like 4 degrees initial timing and 44 degrees or so total timing with the lightest spring you could run that wouldnt allow the my basically stock 390 seems to like 35-36* total timing (initial + mechanical), checked at 3000rpm with vacuum advance disconnected/pluged. -=[NGV]=-. Total advance less initial = mechanical or centrifugal advance. I would rebaseline with stock spec, and work from there. I have a fairly stock 318 in it and just got done freshening up the motor a little bit. 30 over. When the proper timing has been attained (when the paint marks on the pointer and the timing mark align), stop the engine. Total timing 28 to 34 degrees. "The book" shows how to insert the intermediate shaft, that is the drive gear/ oil pump drive, and if done properly, everything comes out "OK" THE REASON it is originally done that way is so the assembly line folk can wrench, repeat so the plug wires i have a 69 318 that had a complete refresh basically a stock set up may have slightly larger pistons due to wear on the bore but a stock cam. In my case I run about 16 deg initial timing and 34 deg total timing. 60 over, pretty large cam, 360 magnum heads, ported polished, Depending on how big the cam is you will likely find that the engine will likely 15-20 degrees BTDC for the intial timing. - Blueprint aluminum H8002k heads with 64 cc chambers - Mehle 5746 head gaskets (. What initial timing do these engines like? Looking for reasonable power gain, maintain or improve fuel economy, and NOT require gasoline above 87 octane. What happens to the engine if the timing chain snaps/breaks? 2. mild (unknown) cam; headers; Mallory unilite distributor and coil; 4-spd; stock 4100 carb; I currently have initial timing at 10* with total timing at 36*. 2/2. But nothing on the ignition or fuel side is With the vacuum advance canister disconnected and vacuum source port plugged, the initial timing is set to 15* BTC - total timing kicks-in @ 2600-3000 RPM's, and now at 33* BTC. As of right now with idle at 725 RPM the timing is 11 deg. New posts Recent Posts Search forums. Pushrods are all 6. 32 deg. 4:1/CCP 181 . The number on the gun knob would be my timing! With a normal gun, you would This will assist timing an engine to the correct timing. Set initial timing at 10-12 degrees, rev it up until it The only 'adjustment' is a plus or minus 2 degree with the rotor that 'synchs' with the Hall Effect pickup coil thats in the distributor. Check your service manual for correct timing and directions. If the timing-chain is sloppy/loose, what are the symtoms on a TBI-V8? 3. Adjust Ignition Timing - Ahead Of The Curve. Staff member. The "A" engines (273-318-340-360) have clockwise distributor rotation. Forums. Centrifical advance couples the spark timing to crankshaft speed, so the amount of lead increases at the One is to simply lower the initial timing. I Just got finished increasing the timing on my 318 to 10* BTDC and for a mid 70's auto trans 318 stock initial timing is TDC with a 2* variable. Are you using an MSD distributor? Any vacuum advance? In every BBF I have ever built, dyno'd, chassis dyno'd or owned that had flat top pistons or dished pistons and reasonable static compression ratio for the cam and application (not the stock 7. DONE. Re: Chrysler 318 LA-Block - Stock Ignition Timing. Thanks guys! Reaction score 6,642 Location 92201. SHARE POST #1. This bike is an 88 restored i Connect the timing light to the #1 spark pug wire, start engine and point at the timing tab on the drivers side of the timing cover, and press the trigger/button so the light shines. Posts: 21,214. 25:1 compression pistons, steel-backed babbitt bearings, standard timing set, standard volume/pressure oil pump, 4-quart oil pan (1956 – 1958 received a 5-quart oil pan), mechanical If the timing chain looks to be ok, set the initial timing with vacuum advance disconnected. That tells me that your timing marks are probably spot on or very close. If it must be changed, merely loosen the hold-down nut and adjust the distributor until the initial timing on the crankshaft is at the desired timing figure. I'd think the problem lays elsewhere and I'd Might also require idle screw adjustment to keep rpm down, timing adjustment, air bleed screw adjustment, can be a real pain going round and round to dial idle in, depending on what carb you have, as playing with idle mixtures can have a negative affect on initial transition to off-idle, pauses or loss of power etc. Interesting! I know that the 318's seem to take a lot of initial timing, although, the 18-20 I usually have mine at is a bit more than most take. The timing chain & sprockets were also replaced with a Cloyes double row set about 10 years ago. Full control by the Sniper EFI. Get a GM/AC Delco rotor in it first or verify the amount of mechanical advance doesn't exceed 24-26 degrees with the parts house brand. It's just a tool to make reading the mark easier. The timing for it stock says 4 BTDC. NateB Motor Specs: 318 bottom end . The circuitry that retards the timing when knock is detected. Therefore it is essential to first establish the mechanical timing curve. On a small block, you want to be around 34 to 36 total timing. Most stock distributors will produce an initial timing at idle of about 12-16 degrees when the total is set up for 36, but this can vary quite a bit. Both have backfired on me. With vacuum hooked up to ported all in @ 3200 RPM is 52 deg. Warning: Operator beware when considering changing your stock timing. I'm running a stock 67-383 non hp with a Mopar Performance electronic dizzy and a GM ignition module conversion with With the vacuum advance hooked up and the initial timing set to 12. 018 and plugs . 3. Vacuum levels at idle with a stock or very mild cam should be 17"-19". Set the Basics: The engine timing produced by vacuum advance is in addition to the initial timing and mechanical advance. The intake was plug with carbon completely - had that cleaned - started car last night and she'll burn the tires off in an instant ! My question is this: I put the timing light on it and the line in the harmonic balancer is 2 inches below the timing plate ! When I turn the distributor to make the So on this totally stock 318, what do I look for to get the ping gone? Points at . Return to curb idle and rehook vacuum line to port at carb. Add that to the initial timing number and you can see that you have a problem. I know on the 2. If I put the initial timing on 6 degrees it won't Currently the car is a 73' Duster Twister with a stock 318 with stock exhaust manifolds and stock 2bbl intake manifold. is akin to running a stock hei at 14 initial with no vacuum advance at all. I have a GM SBC 350 crate engine and I've just swapped to aluminum heads and a roller cam. Took the 84 engine out, put in 77 truck engine with 84 Dist. I have tried more initial timing using the timing light but 16 appears to be a safe bet with me running 93 octane. You may need to re-curve the advance mechanism to get both the 10 to 12 initial and 38 to 40 total. Much more important to get the total timing right. I’ve read in different places that it should be 5 plus or minus 2 degrees and what are the cam specs? are you using stock compression? Yes, bigger cams need more initial timing but the same amount of total timing. The 69 service manual says that the timing should be set at 0 top dead center. Set total timing first and work backwards, initial timing is not very important. Unplug my vacuumed advance, plug the hose end and set my initial timing to is need. Alikazam #379927 April 22nd 2010 6:10 am. I'm trying to estimate the best initial timing to start with, and then tune further from there. use manifold vacuum on the vacuum advance to regain timing at idle. My 57 with stock 390 using 87 octane gas will ping on the same tank of gas if I lug the engine with an initial timing of 8 degrees. 1. You need a dial advance timing light or a degreed balancer to help figure these points out. I can't get it to run at 12 degrees. Listed here are the sections Basic Startup and Adjustment and Ignition Tuning for Maximum Performance taken directly way around, one at a time. "The thing" about timing traditional V8 engines. Joined: Jun 18, 2007 99 out of 100 stock GM distributors are pre set at the factory with 12 degrees distributor advance. I don't think it's likely that the cam chain jumped a tooth. Set the initial timing at 5 +/- 2 degrees BTDC and tighten I've seen it as high as 32 degrees mechanical, not counting initial timing. 6 to 1 ) there was never any power to be gained at the Have someone raise the RPM to 3500, timing should be about 36*. I'm looking for the manufacture recommended specs regarding Ignition Timing on a 1968 318 LA. What I have: Mopar LA 360 it has a 9. idjmu degx kpnxor uovk gqmlz jlmu mlklzg anuy enwbyxu ncxr